Grant had slaves until the 13th amendment. Lee set his slaves free before the war. Abraham Lincoln actually did very little if anything for the right of slaves. as most educated persons might know the acclamation proclamation did nothing as the south had its own government at the time it came out and it failed to free slaves in the north. Grant graduated from west point 1843, ranking 21st in a class of 39. Lee graduated in 1825 and became the first cadet to achieve the rank of sergeant at the end of his first year. When he graduated in 1829 he was at the head of his class in artillery and tactics, and shared the distinction with five other cadets of having received no demerits during the four-year course of instruction. Overall, he ranked second in his class of 46. stonewall Jackson graduated 17th out of 59 students in the Class of 1846. It was said by his peers that if he had stayed there another year, he would have graduated first. neither wanted secession Lincoln wanted offered Lee the position of the union army but he turned it down because he decided to go with his state.
Nobody wanted the war but to say it was over slaver it besmirches the names of the countless dead black and white. that fought honorably for the south in the civil war.
I don’t deny that slavery might have been the reason some people joined the war. just as there are troops in Iraq that joined to kill some Arabs
as stonewall might tell you because i know he will read this in Texas there are plenty of blacks that have the confederate flag tattooed on them i know of some that bang johnny rebel as loud as they can. and in my observation of human nature the only ppl that consider the flag or our heritage as racist are usually the uneducated and juvenile kids
i wont delete your answer no matter how ignorant they are calling me a racist and what not but i ask you why am i a racist because i have pride for my heritage and i know my facts and i am not spoon fed my own beliefs do you condemn Germans as racists because of Hitler.
i will leave you with this quotes from Abraham lincolin
“I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position. I have never said anything to the contrary.” ~ Lincoln, Aug. 21, 1858, in remarks stating his belief that blacks were naturally inferior to whites, which was a nearly universal belief on the part of whites in both the North and South long before and long after the Civil War.
“I cannot make it better known than it already is, that I favor colonization.” ~ Lincoln, in a message to Congress, December 1, 1862, supporting deportation of all blacks from America.
“My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union.” ~ Letter to Horace Greeley, Editor of the New York Tribune, August 22 1862. This more than anything else demonstrates that Lincoln’s centralist superstitions derived from Daniel Webster and Joseph Story about “the Union,” rather than the immorality of slavery, were his motivations in plotting war. This letter also contradicts Lincoln’s sentiment expressed in his first inaugural address, that he had neither the “lawful right,” or the “inclination” to abolish slavery.
ABRAHAM LINCOLN was republican intact if you believe he was the savior of the slave
Too many uneducated children think that the South was the only country that ever had slaves. THey exist today in Cartels, in Asian brothels. They even are addressed in the Bible. Even to the point of telling how they should be treated.
On holidays in Rome, slaves were freed. So it is not a S versus N deal.
I am glad that others out there know this.
This is the third incoherent rant I have read from you on this subject in the last twenty minutes. I am beginning to think you are obsessed! Go outside and get some fresh air!
The Civil War was not based on slavery. Five Northern states (KY, MO, MD, DE, WV) allowed slavery. To say it was is a gross oversimplification. However, to deny that slavery played a part is pure idiocy. Slavery inflamed sectional tensions to the point where the election of a Republican president caused 11 states to renounce their bonds with the Union.
Go ahead and have “pride in your heritage.” But take pride in your heritage as an American, not a descendent of the largest act of treason in American history.
I agree with a lot of it. While I don’t really care who has what tattoo your historical facts are very true.
During the American Civil War, the Confederacy was basically (and knowingly) fighting to preserve slavery in their states as an institution – no matter how much at the time (and pro Confederacy historians since) it has been dressed up as states’ rights
Your ignorance on the subject is appalling. (1) Grant freed his one and only slave before the war. (2) Lee freed his father-in-law’s slaves because he had to by law (according to the will), but he was a supporter of slavery. (3) We know the war was EXPRESSLY about preserving slavery, because that’s what the secessionists said it was about. They made no bones about the true cause. Only apologists after-the-fact tried to disassociate slavery from the sectional conflict. This is pure Lost Cause propaganda, cooked up after the war. Read some books. Start with “The Apostles of Disunion,” and read it in their own words. While you’re at it, read the various Declarations of Causes published by the seceding states. The only “right” they were fighting for was the right to perpetuate slavery. There’s just no getting around it.
It’s silly to pick and choose Lincoln quotes to try to get around the incontrovertible fact that he was an anti-slavery man from start to finish. That’s why South Carolina jumped ship. It’s why slave states, by and large, did not even put him on the ballot. Lastly, the Emancipation Proclamation had the immediate effect of freeing 10s of thousands of slaves that had sought refuge behind Union lines. It freed 10s of thousands more before the end of the war. Lincoln could not free slaves in the border states – he had no power to seize the legal property of loyal citizens. That would have to wait for the 13th Amendment, which Lincoln engineered before his death.